A response

to a comment I made at  http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2010/04/the-libertarians-and-the-democrats.html

I made my post, someone argued against it and then “comments for this article are now closed”.  Imagine that.

Here is the post arguing against what I said:

Nasa: PostModernSaxon, you forgot to add the tags to enclose your sentiments – Big Business are anything but collectivist – ofcourse your very definition of collectivist comes into question – please define what collectivism is and then show how Big Business is collectivist.

Me:  Here are two definitions of Collectivist-

1.  “”Collectivism is a term used to describe any moral, political, or social outlook, that emphasizes the interdependence of every human in some collective group and the priority of group goals over individual goals”

The moral, political, and social outlook of Big Business most definitely emphasizes interdependence of every human in the group (The Corporation), and the priority of group (corporate) goals (market domination) over individual goals (individual entrepreneurship).


“”The principles or system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the people collectively, usually under the supervision of a government.”

Nothing, not even the Federal Government, fits the definition of “The people collectively”, better than International Corporations.

Nasa: Even worse, you have totally distorted libertarian support for individual rights as somehow being advocacy for Big Business – how do you make that quantum jump, when you very well know that Big Businesses try to squelch competition as much as possible while libertarians are all for more open market competition so that monopolies can be avoided – the very monopolies that big businesses strive to be.

Me: Where libertarian idealism interfaces with actual political power the coupling point is Corporation as Individual, as by law.  Literally the legal definition of corporation:  “A legal entity, created under the authority of a statute, which permits a group of people, as shareholders, to apply to the government for an independent organization to be created, which then pursues set objectives, and is empowered with legal rights usually only reserved for individuals”. YOU need to ask how the quantum jump was made by our elected representatives to give Big Business (corporations) the same Constitutional rights reserved by the Constitution only to individual American Citizens.

I said:  A true free-market unhindered by either Government over-regulation or Big Business monopolization is an idea that I think would be quite palatable to many, maybe most, liberals
He responded:  On the unintentional comedy scale of 1 to 10, you just hit a 100 – liberals fervently hate competition and love to add regulations upon regulations for everything under the sun – these are the same people who are deeply suspicious of any business big, small or medium sized – in fact as far as they are concerned business only means big business.

They openly hate the greed and the profit motive and we are supposed to believe that most of them will love to have business unhindered by regulations.

Your fantasies are worse than that of Wilkinson’s.

My response:  What a fantastic self-contradiction.  Out of one mouth you say that Libertarians are against monopolization, yet out of another mouth you say that Big Business should not be regulated! YOU make my point exactly in the assumption that somehow a Corporation is also an Individual.  I am saying it is not and that Corporations need to be regulated so that their impact on open competition in markets is minimized.

Yes I am absolutely convinced that most Liberals would love to have small family business, sole proprietorship’s, almost entirely unregulated, and the massive Big Business International Corporations heavily regulated as they should be.  Liberals do not hate the “greed and profit” motive of the family that owns a small chain of local grocery stores or hardware stores, they hate the “greed and profit” of collectivist monolithic International Corporations.


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